Ryan Kennedy (00:00:02):
Whatever challenges you're going through. I think waking up every day is like winning the lottery. I could offer you, you know, a hundred million dollars Brandon, but you don't get to wake up tomorrow, would you take it?

Brandon Turner (00:00:13):
No.

Ryan Kennedy (00:00:14):
And even if you're struggling financially, you wouldn't take it because you know that just another day of life is worth more than any amount of money. So when you start to really realize that and embody it and wake up with your eyes open, dude, my lungs are breathing, my heart is beating, life is freaking good. I get to go out in the world and make love every day. Like what more could you ask for?

Brandon Turner (00:00:36):
Welcome to a better life with Brandon Turner. That is me, where world class guests share their wisdom on building a better life. Join me as we explore the habits, the actions and the beliefs that have guided their journey with the aim of helping you apply those lessons to your own.

Brandon Turner (00:01:02):
So first question I have for you, I ask this to everybody on the show and that is, well not really a question, I guess it's more of a comment. We donate all the proceeds from every episode of whatever advertising revenue we get. We donate that toward a charity of the guest choosing. So charity of your choosing and why was it important to you?

Ryan Kennedy (00:01:18):
Less Garden Foundation. Less Less. L U S T, lust Garden Garden Foundation. Okay. I actually did a charity class I taught about a year ago to raise money for this and they focus on research and patient support for pancreatic cancer specifically. And I like their model because their funding research that I think is not solely driven by pharmaceutical interests, which is a lot of the oncology world because it costs so much money to develop studies and drugs that you need to have something you could patent and something that's actually going to make them money back. And I also like that they give a lot of their proceeds just for patient support. So to supply people with money to buy organic food and to maybe hire an alternative health practitioner or a trainer or a nutritionist or someone just that can help support them. A mindset coach, there's so many aspects as you're going through this journey that are very costly. Even just buying higher quality food and being more mindful about what you're putting into your body. And so I like that they also have a component that's not just solely towards research, but it's like, okay, let's help patients in the near term as we're working towards the bigger picture of finding really good avenues to treat this. But that takes obviously years and years.

Brandon Turner (00:02:34):
Yeah. Does pancreatic cancer have a specific meaning in your life or you just like used like the organization or do you have history with that or somebody you did?

Ryan Kennedy (00:02:40):
Yeah. One of the reasons I got into holistic health was in 2008 my mom got diagnosed with cancer and now I didn't really know the extent of of what that meant. Oh yeah. You know, I was pretty young. I was like, man, this is kind of just bad luck I guess. But dude, I remember like yesterday her oncologist telling her like, what you eat doesn't matter. No vitamins or herbs are gonna help you. Lifestyle stuff doesn't really make a difference. It's just kind of genetic and and bad luck. And you have really three avenues. You have chemotherapy, radiation and surgery and you just go through those and hope for the best. So she did surgery, she did chemotherapy, and unfortunately she passed in twenty ten two years later. In large part due to the misinformation she received, not just with the treatment options but the misinformation she received for like decades leading up to this point with government food guide pyramids with horrible advice given to the general public, her herself included, who are just trying to do her best.

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You know, replacing butter with margarine and doing all these things. And now we look back on and are just like, I can't believe we told people to do this, let alone all these people follow this advice and just rates of chronic disease just skyrocketed. And so it really was a catalyst in my life of really evaluating. I was a young dude, I was just like, if you don't have your health, not much else really matters. Like when my mom was in the later stages of this journey, she didn't care about finances or career or any number of day-to-day things that people occupy their their bandwidth with. She was just like trying to survive and spend time with her loved ones. And that was all that really was brought to the forefront. So as I was kind of looking at this, I was like, well, okay, first of all, I don't wanna have my life cut short.

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I love life and I wanna live a long healthy life. And then second, you know, I also looked at like the quality of life aspect and just how you can really maximize how you feel every day. And so that kind of took me through down this path of health and wellness and wanting to pursue it and really brought a large sense of, of mission and purpose to my life. And I started in more of the fitness physical therapy space, study kinesiology. And then I realized real quick, working in PT clinics, the movement component of health is amazing and very important, but it's just one component. And if you're not dialing in your nutrition and your sleep and your stress management and your environments and replenishing nutrient deficiencies and taking a more like holistic lens to all these other pillars, all these other aspects to your wellbeing, the physical stuff is only gonna take you so far. And so that's when I went back to school, studied naturopathic medicine in post-grad school and that kind of takes us to where we are today where I run a full-time practice, consult with awesome patients like Ryan here and help them really dial in that kind of A to Z, all these different aspects of their daily habits and choices and inputs and really design these protocols to help them feel and perform their best. Man,

Brandon Turner (00:05:28):
What an introduction. I didn't even have to ask any questions to just get a perfect answer to that question that I was about to ask. So we'll just jump right from that into this week's show sponsor.

Brandon Turner (00:05:42):
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And while this event is part of the Accountability Mastermind, our run called the Better Life Tribe, we're actually opening up the few remaining tickets for the general population right now. So yeah, that actually means you can come if you hurry and uh, get your tickets and you should, if you wanna lean into investing in real estate to fund your future, you'll network with speakers and attendees. You'll get a ton of knowledge and wisdom about strategies and tactics that are working now and you'll make some great friends at the same time. Now look, we only have 300 total spots for the event. This is not one of those huge two, 3000 person conferences. We're gonna get lost in the crowd. This is intimate, powerful and life-changing. But because it's small, it's also gonna sell out quick. So for more information if you wanna come, I'd love to have you go to re ei maui.com. Again, that is r e i maui.com. I want to get into Ryan Murdoch here, why you're here besides the fact that I can't get you off my property, Ryan.

Ryan Murdock (00:07:19):
Yeah, I haven't off your property in years, but it has been quite some time since I've been here in the sea shed. So yeah, thanks for having me back. I love what you're done with the place. Some derelicts hanging out around out front. I know there's a homeless population, uh, explosion here on the island, so you got a couple think you got a couple out front, but they were friendly. Anyway, what was the question? Uh,

Brandon Turner (00:07:35):
What's your story man? Why are

Ryan Murdock (00:07:36):
You here? I am here because, well first of all, Ryan came out this week. Let me, lemme back up. So I'm 45 years old, right? And I have been up and down on fitness trends since my late teens, early twenties, on off, relatively healthy exercising, working out to like falling off that wagon and just being, eating, drinking terrible stuff, just being lazy and you know, just this real cyclical thing that I think a lot of people could probably relate to. And it was really kind of brought to a head last year dealing with some minor back issues and knee issues and just general old man stuff. So like as if I didn't have enough excuses already to be unhealthy and not exercise and not eat right, I just really fell into this funk of doing all that bad stuff. And uh, it was really going to your conference in Coeur d'Alene, the the couple's retreat.

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That's right. Dang plug for that. Uh, no, it really was just sitting around that table talking with tho with those amazing people. I have my wife there that we really just came to the realization that we gotta make some changes, really gotta do something about our health. And I had tried to do something early last year. I was kind of looking for something along the lines of what Ryan does and I had signed up with this woman who came as a referral and it just immediately didn't work. Like within my first five minutes of talking to her, it was just way too like WOOWOO crystals, I think she was probably upset cuz neither of us were wearing a covid mask on a zoom call. Like that whole kind of vibe. And I'm just like, this is, this is not gonna be sustainable for me. Like she seemed like a really nice person, but I'm like, this is not it.

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And then, uh, I was on a flight somewhere and just stumbled across Jamie Gruber's podcast with Ryan as a guest and listened to the whole thing and was like, man, this is my guy. Like I just connected with everything he said about getting healthy, but it's not like this weirdo stuff. It's very direct, here's what you need to do, here's what happens if you don't do this. Like, just, this is what you gotta do if you wanna get healthy. So I, I dug around, talked to a lot of his clients, couldn't find any dirt on him at all, just glowing recommendations and, and signed up with him right after the Coeur d'Alene event. So I've been on the program now what, just about three months? Uh, not even three months.

Ryan Kennedy (00:09:29):
Yeah, we started at the very beginning of this year, so going on two and a half months.

Ryan Murdock (00:09:32):
Yeah. And uh, I mean already, and I don't wanna come off with too much of an ego cuz I know I'm, I'm just really new into this thing, so check back with me in a year or so and see how I'm doing. But just the, the changes, uh, not only for me but my wife Pinky signed up as well and we've been going through the program together and both of us, I mean just pretty remarkable results I think in the short time that we've been on the program. So eating better. He's got me on a, get us both on uh, very sustainable workout programs, working around my, my injuries and things that are bothering me. I mean, just the amount of energy I've had, just the overall the weight I've lost. Just the tone. Uh, you look good. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. So I think we're just, just getting started so

Brandon Turner (00:10:06):
I'm fully charged. ,

Ryan Murdock (00:10:10):
Glad you're on that side of the table. .

Brandon Turner (00:10:12):
Hold me back. Yeah,

Ryan Murdock (00:10:14):
Yeah, yeah. No, so it's just been great. So yeah Ryan, uh, it just happened to be on Maui this week, so, uh, we did a little paddle boarding, we did some, did some hiking today and, and uh, here we are. So

Brandon Turner (00:10:22):
All right man. Well very cool. Well thank you for joining me as kind of a co-host today. So let's get back to, well you're both Ryan's, we'll go Ryan one and Ryan two. Y'all in the audience are gonna figure out which one's one and two. But Ryan Kennedy, that's your last name, right? That's right. I'm butcher that Any relation to the Kennedy's the

Ryan Kennedy (00:10:38):
Famous no relation. Not that I'm aware

Brandon Turner (00:10:40):
Of at least. Yeah, somewhere way back there maybe.

Ryan Kennedy (00:10:42):
Yeah, maybe.

Brandon Turner (00:10:42):
Alright, so this is a question I like to start , we're in this show now, what, 20 minutes. But I, to kind of start with this idea of what are some things, specific things in the last year that you've, I implemented into your life that's given you a better life? I mean I could pick your brain on fitness, we'll get into that I'm sure more. Sure. Uh, you know the answers to a lot of good stuff. But personally in your life, what have you done in the last year that's actually improved your life?

Ryan Kennedy (00:11:02):
Yeah, so that's a tough question because I've been doing a lot of the things that I think are big needle movers in my life and I've seen really be effective for a lot longer than a year. Sure. One thing that comes to mind that I've shifted more recently in a more specific way is really this mindset when I wake up and I think this applies to like pretty much everyone out there where we wake up in this state of reactivity and first thing when we wake up is like we feel like, man, we're dreading the day we don't want to get out of bed. You know, we're comfortable and we don't want to face the day and all of these challenges and we think about our problems and our to-do lists and all of our obligations and you know, we just kind of start in that state of mind of just like, I don't really wanna do all this.

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And I've been practicing different levels of gratitude and journaling and all these things for years, but what I've really started doing immediately upon waking up when my eyes open is I really embody this concept of what a precious privilege it is to just be blessed with another day dude. And I really like to look at it in this frame of whatever challenges you're going through. I think waking up every day is like winning the lottery. I could offer you, you know, a hundred million Brandon, but you don't get to wake up tomorrow, would you take it? No. And would you take it?

Brandon Turner (00:12:20):
Definitely

Ryan Kennedy (00:12:20):
Not. And even if you're struggling financially, you wouldn't take it because you know that just another day of life is worth more than any amount of money. So when you start to really realize that and embody it and wake up with your eyes open like, dude, my lungs are breathing, my heart is beating, life is freaking good. I get to go out in the world and make love every day. Like what more could you ask for? Yeah. And so that really just completely shifts the trajectory of the whole rest of your day. Cause then everything else that comes up, you really can see from a different lens and you could really see it. And just having that like first moment of the day I think is such a powerful moment, uh, of how the rest of our day's gonna go and what mindset and attitude we're gonna adopt as we tackle different challenges and overcome different things and work through different opportunities.

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And that's been something that I've been specifically doing that has just been, I've always been kind of a happy-go-lucky guy even when things aren't going as well. Cause I'm just like, dude, there's so many people that have a million times worse problems than I have. But this is really like taking that up a level. Yeah. Where I'm like stoked on life, dude. That's cool. Yeah. So that's been one that's been great. Another one that I've adopted more recently that I think has also been a, a pretty powerful shift in a lot of this is really embracing the journey. It's so cliche, but so many of us get focused on the destination. Like, I gotta hit this milestone, I gotta hit this thing. And I've really reversed engineered that and just been like, okay, what does my perfect day look like? And let me just map that out and live that way now.

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And I'm fortunate that my schedule and my business and what I do and my investments allow me to have more flexibility than maybe your average person working in nine to five. But it's really changed the fact that I'm not really that hell Ben on achieving this outcome. Yeah. Or this, this milestone or this achievement financially, whatever it is in business and health in your relationships. It's more so like how can I just love every day? And that's been a big shift for me too. Cause I, for a long time I was just focused on like, I gotta hit this number and gotta achieve this financial freedom. And as I've kind of like checked different things off the list, I'm like, yeah, this doesn't, this is not ending anytime soon just with my mindset. And I think most people can agree with that. And then, uh,

Brandon Turner (00:14:24):
Let me, let me jump in there. Yeah. Yeah. I, I did a video, I put it on social media the other day, but I was cleaning my pool and I was cleaning the pool thinking about this. And then I had Alex, I'm like, Hey, record this. Or maybe he was like, I'm gonna record it. But it was this idea of like, I was cleaning the pool and as I go from one side to the other, all these leaves on top of it, I got to the end and like I got done and I look back and there's a bunch more leaves in the pool. You know, my pool Ryan, right. But like, it just, there's always crap falling in my pool cause there's these giant trees that, that overshadow it or whatever. So I'm getting frustrated cause I go back and I get more, I clean more of it and I finally get done.

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I look back on the other side of the pool now was cover release. I'm getting really irritated like, oh, I just cannot get, like the wind will not stop blowing. And then finally like I just came, came to the realization. I'm like, what if I just enjoyed the process of cleaning the pool knowing that it will never be empty. Like it's okay. So it's that idea of like just what if I enjoyed cleaning the pool for the simple stake of cleaning the pool. And when you shift your mindset to that all areas of your life, like what if, because I have a, I have a tendency, I'm, I'm guessing you guys too do too. Or at least like as achievers, it's like we just like have some goal and we go towards it and then we just wanted to check it off and then all well next goal. And uh, yeah. You can go through your entire life that way and look back and be like, I just never, like I never enjoyed it. It was just checking boxes

Ryan Murdock (00:15:30):
And any, anything that pops up in the way is, is you're angry or distract. It's a distraction. Right. Whereas if you learn to embrace that and be like, oh okay, I can go clean the pool that's a five minute break from whatever I was doing. And uh, you know, listen to some tunes and Yeah. If you just look at it a little differently.

Ryan Kennedy (00:15:41):
Yeah. And just reminding yourself like right now in this moment, like these are the good old days. Mm-hmm. that you're gonna look back on when you're 60, 70, 80 years old and be like, man, I had it good. Like my joints didn't make, I was like having amazing time every day and I was, I was young and healthy and you know, there's gonna be a time when like this exact thing you're going through, you look back on so fondly and wish do anything to get back there and reverse time. And so I like that kind of mindset cause that just does apply to literally everything else that we do. And then one third one that I have started doing in the last year is more of a, a learning hack. So I like audiobooks. Yeah. Because I can listen to audiobook while I'm out on my paddle board, while I'm out mountain biking while I'm doing stuff around the house.

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But I find like depending on the material, sometimes my mind drips and I like physical books but I have a similar problem where I just kind of get a little restless sometimes. And, but I like physical books cause then you can write stuff down and circle things. Sure. And so what I've been doing, especially on flights, but for any book I'm like really absorbing really like into, I'm really wanting to take a lot out of it. I'll listen to the audio book while I read the physical book, which I don't think is any revolutionary tip for people. But for me it was like, yeah of course. Like uh, why not? And that has increased my comprehension and engagement with the material like 10 x dude. Yeah. It's unbelievable the difference just because I have, I've heard that too. A mind that just tends to like wander as I'm reading something or listening to something. Especially like an audiobook. And so I've been doing that. And on flights it's the biggest hack cuz you don't have like screaming kid behind you that's like distracting you. You don't have all these other noises. You're just listening and reading and you're taking notes. And I have my journal and it's, dude, it's been great. That's

Brandon Turner (00:17:21):
Amazing.

Ryan Kennedy (00:17:21):
Yeah. So I've been digging that. Do you try that

Brandon Turner (00:17:23):
Ryan? No,

Ryan Murdock (00:17:23):
But I want to cause I suffer from that same thing. Yeah. I'll start reading a paper book and then just my mind will wander off. Yeah. Or whatever. So yeah. To back that up with the audio book at the same time.

Brandon Turner (00:17:31):
Well how much of that do you think is, because like I have the same problem. I mean, I used to be able to read for four hours straight. Same. How much of that is due to social media? Like our brain's just

Ryan Kennedy (00:17:38):
Changing. I think that's in large part due to social media and a number of other things that just hijack our dopamine. Yeah. And I mean there's a lot of other factors too. It's like, depends on your nutrition and your sleep and a bunch of other factors that are helping with your brain chemistry. So I think that there's multi, there's not just one thing. You can't just blame it on social media even though that's a big culprit. I think there's dozens and dozens of reasons that people have shorter attention spans. And why, in my opinion, everyone has a d d, it's more of a spectrum. I think humans in general just don't have an easy time and it just manifests as more severe degrees in certain people and lesser degrees than other people. But it's not like a black and white thing. Like you have this attention deficit disorder or you don't. I think we all have it. It's called the human mind. Yeah. Some people are able to combat it and overcome in certain instances, like conventional school system. But I don't think it's, uh, the diagnosis black or white thing people have made it out to be.

Brandon Turner (00:18:34):
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I, I definitely find, I mean, yeah, it's all that stuff, right? When I don't sleep well, I can't read it's well when I don't, you know, whatever. But I definitely notice the social media when on days where I use it more like in that period of time. Like there'll be phases of my life. Or for a month or two just be on TikTok. TikTok the worst

Ryan Murdock (00:18:50):
I think. Yeah. I think it's just phones in general, right. There's so much information, whether it's social media, the internet or emails or whatever. Like you're just jumping around all over the place all the time because you can. And then when you go back to an old fashioned book, I used to be able to read a ton Yeah. In a book. And now I just, I struggle with it because, because of that reason

Ryan Kennedy (00:19:03):
I think. Yeah. And Netflix and all other sorts of inter you know Yeah. Everything's click different in, you know, forms of entertainment that have changed the game for people.

Brandon Turner (00:19:10):
Yeah. And you do you have

Ryan Kennedy (00:19:11):
Kids? Not yet. All right.

Brandon Turner (00:19:13):
So I got, you know, I got young kids, right? And they're watching, they watch YouTube more than I would like them to. Right. But it's just, it, they watch their YouTube kids app. Uh, and I'm getting judged by a lot of people right now. They're like, you let your kids watch YouTube, but it's a problem. Right. I try to limit it. But here's the point is watching some of the videos that they watch, like they are being trained at two years old, three years old, to need that quick movement. Like the way that like even, I mean one of the most popular series like on YouTube kids, these like little kids and their parents do like something play acting whatever, like whatever the store. But the kids continually have to be, first of all, the camera changes every second or L faster. Right. The camera never stays on any scene for more than a second. And then every scene has to be moving. So the kid can't talk like, Hey mom, I wanna to the store. They have to go, Hey mom, I wanna go to the store. And they push their hands back and forth for no reason other than because kids need that like movement up and down the bright, all the shirts have to be bright colors. It's

Ryan Murdock (00:20:04):
All very calculated

Brandon Turner (00:20:04):
By somebody. It's all so calculated. And there's a reason that those videos have like hundreds of billions of views. Like, I mean, just ridiculous numbers. Cause my kids will watch them on repeat and I'm like, what are we doing to our kids? We think it's bad for us right now. We're like, oh, TikTok. It's nothing compared to what YouTube kids, kids doing to

Ryan Kennedy (00:20:20):
Kids. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:20:20):
Totally. So I keep getting these like, I'm not gonna let my kids watch anything. And it's like, you know, a week goes by and they're like freaking out and I, I, I just need time to jump on a call. And I'm like, all right, just watch something for now. And then all of a sudden we're off that band wave.

Ryan Murdock (00:20:31):
I'm talking just like this, the rest of the show just to boost ratings. Guess.

Brandon Turner (00:20:34):
Yeah. Yeah. I gotta show you one of those videos later. They're just like, yeah, yeah. Jamie, pull it up. No .

Ryan Kennedy (00:20:39):
Yeah. It's interesting though cuz I have a different philosophy than most on social media in that like it gets villainized a lot. Mm-hmm. . But it's just a tool and people are misusing the tool. Sure. Like there are a few things that I can think of that are that as like entertaining per minute of viewership than TikTok and Instagram. Like there's a reason people are addicted to it. There's a reason people use it. It's freaking awesome. It's awesome. Like it's, it's hilarious. You can have a, a very high degree of entertainment but when you abuse it and you just get reckless and you're spending hours and hours a day and Yeah. To your point, like your kids are overusing it. Yep. And doing mind watching mindless shit. Yeah. Or watching stuff that you just compare people to yourself. Yeah. And then you get down like yeah that's, that's the misuse of social media. Yeah. But the beautiful thing is you can share information to millions mm-hmm. in seconds. You can absorb really useful information in a very efficient way. Like you don't have to read a five hour book. I'm sure there's a TikTok distilling all the main principles Sure. In a 62nd video that you'd get a lot of the same takeaways. I think that's freaking awesome. And they

Brandon Turner (00:21:38):
Could have Shay p too the same gpt do the same thing. Like summarize this book

Ryan Kennedy (00:21:42):
And Exactly. And so I think there's a lot of use cases where I'm like, social media's pretty, pretty rad. Yeah. And it's coming from someone that tries to stay off social media. Yeah. And I have a separate phone that I don't use anymore that has my social media app. So I can't use it on my normal phone. Oh really? Yeah. That's another thing that I found super helpful. Cause then it's just not, there's, the temptation isn't there and you have to be a lot more intentional about using it. You're like, well I gotta go get this other phone. And it only works if I have wifi because there's no sim card in there. So it just makes it a little bit, I call it my media phone. Yeah. So I used it to like post and to do stuff and then I'll end up scrolling like I'm human. Yeah. I'm not perfect with this stuff, but it's,

Brandon Turner (00:22:15):
And you should And it's fun. Like you said, it's enter. Exactly. It's actually entertaining. I'd rather do that than watch

Ryan Kennedy (00:22:18):
A movie times where I will scroll for 20 or 30 minutes. Yep. I don't regret it at all. I had a wonderful time. Yep. I learned a lot. I saw some cool shit I would've never otherwise seen. I watched like these adventurous sport videos and this guy's doing this crazy stuff. I'm just like blown away. And an on inspired by it can be really educational as well. And I think that's gets missed in the conversation of like, rather than just say social media sucks, don't let people use it. Avoid it. It's kinda like this whole sex ed conversation. Like just don't have sex. Yeah. Just don't have sex then that's the the answer. Yeah. It's like, oh yeah, it's that the answer. Yeah. Same with social media. Like rather than just telling people how bad it is for them. Like why don't we create ways of teaching kids and teaching humans in general how to use it rather than abuse it. And I think there would be a lot of good outcomes from that.

Brandon Turner (00:23:01):
Yeah. I think we're gonna see a movement happen in the coming years where the internet's all new, right? Like this is all new the last 20 years. Everything social media's the last 10 years Right. Are really like, we don't know you how to deal with it yet. I think we're gonna see a mo, we're gonna see a pushback. I think of like the kinda the ludeye idea of like no technology whatsoever. And hopefully over time we find a balance. What's fascinating to me is how similar the way that we talk about social media sometimes now and the way it affects our brains the same way people talk about alcohol or food. People who start with food addiction talk about food the same way we talk about alcohol. I've noticed. He's like, it just makes me feel happy for a while. Or I just need to like, I need to zone out for a little while.

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That's what people say with beer. Like, I need to zone out for a while so I'm gonna drink. Yeah. I need to zone out for a while. I'm just gonna go eat. I need a zone out for a while, I'm gonna go. Uh, so it clearly tells like alcohol, I mean, I don't know your opinion on alcohol, but alcohol is probably not the worst thing in the world. It has some benefits to it. Like people enjoy it gives a good time. Whatever people, you know, some people would argue that it makes you live longer and then other people argue you don't. We can get into that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But at the end of the day, people abuse it. And so we've learned as humans a little bit on how to deal with it. We have some rules in place, both like socially, like it's not cool to be walking around drunk. Yeah. It's not cool to drink be before noon. Like those, we have these kind of social rules and we also have laws around it. Yeah. I expect a lot of that coming in the future. I I, I think cause we gotta figure something out.

Ryan Kennedy (00:24:14):
Yeah. Humans are just bad with balance man. They're really bad. Right. Like it's, we're not designed for balance. We're designed for more and more and more. I like this. I'm gonna overdo it until I abuse it and then it becomes a detriment to me. Yeah. Like that's just what humans do. . It's, it's the nature of our brains bro. Yeah. So I don't have the all the answers. I'm not sure if there's a question there, but a alcohol in general like is Yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:24:33):
Let's hear your take on it.

Ryan Kennedy (00:24:34):
Yeah. Yeah. To your point, anything that enables you to connect more deeply with other humans form more community, relax, take the edge off can be beneficial in some regards. At the end of the day, you gotta realize like alcohol is poison. Yeah. Most studies and most like philosophies, like a small amount is actually healthy for you. It's not really based on the alcohol. Sure. So you would be better off finding ways to connect with community that it was an alcohol, maybe it's breath work, maybe it's you guys jumping the sauna together and maybe you guys do a workout together that still enables you to have those types of tight bonding experiences. And that's one of the things I love about alcohol, dude. I like a drink just as much as the next guy. I don't drink very often because the kind of benefit costs ratio is not quite there for me.

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But at the same time I love that you can have six drinks with someone and be best friends overnight and have these conversations that like dude you wouldn't normally have in day-to-day life. Yeah. So I, I like it. Some aspects of it I don't like. Obviously the impact to your gut microbiome, your brain health, your overall biology. I mean it's just straight poison. Yeah. Like you can't get around that fact. Sure. It's poison that makes you feel really good and if used appropriately you could have a great time and enhance your experience but it's still poison. Yeah. So I really enjoy this noom push of all these alcohol alternatives Yeah. That are coming to the market. And one of my favorites is like breathwork sauna cold punch. Yeah. Because that can elicit that same bonding experience that we're talking about of you spend one day with a group of people and you guys are like homies.

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Yeah. Like really tight. And that is because it's eliciting this change in your brain chemistry. It's enhancing your dopamine, your serotonin, your oxytocin. It's really helping to create that bonding experience, but it's also very healthy for you. So I, I love that. And that that's becoming more mainstream and more popular. And I've had people over in my little wellness sanctuary back in San Diego, not an actual facility for people listening in. It's just my house . And you know, we'll do that and I'll have people come over and we'll work out, we'll jump in the sauna, do a cold dip, jump back in the sauna, we'll do some breath work. And you just feel so high on your own supply that you have these amazing deep conversations. You talk about stuff that like normal day to day you wouldn't not talk about, you wouldn't have like your ego and your borders are up.

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So you just don't, this just helps bring that stuff down like alcohol in some respects. And so I love that. And then there are some other like, you know, supplement things. You can take different herbs and plant medicines that have been used for a long time that I think are really awesome Alternative style called one being kava Kava. Kava is a root that's indigenous to the primarily indigenous like the Fuji Islands. And it's this root that for thousands of years, these, these cultures and this part of the world, they grew kava, it's a root. They would make it into like this kind of tea type thing. It tastes like pretty much like dirt water. But it has this GABA type effect that just is like this incredible kind of relaxing yet social lubricants yet it's kind of uplifting and endorphin type effect. And one of the interesting things about the traditional use of kava is back in the day when these tribes would go to war to battle, before they started battle, it was customary they had to enjoy covet together. Mm-hmm because more often than not, the cot would loosen 'em up and they'd be like, actually you're not that bad of a dude.

Brandon Turner (00:27:52):
I don't wanna kill you. Maybe

Ryan Kennedy (00:27:53):
We shouldn't fight like violence that doesn't sound good. Like let's just chill. And it prevented a lot of death and a lot of like destruction. And now it's being used in more of like the health circles I run in as like this alcohol alternative you could take and just like take the edge off at the end of a long day. And like having a conversation like this, I gave you guys some kava, we'd be having an even better time. Yeah. And I actually have some, some crave in my bag, which is another one of these herbs that uh, I'm a huge fan of. So more things are coming to the market cuz people are realizing like I think alcohol will become somewhat synonymous. Like we see smoking where it's just not that cool anymore. Yeah. And it's not like what it was for older generations where it's like, yeah, it's just the norm. It's a cool thing to do. I think it's gonna be like, yeah, some people still do it, some people will always smoke, some people will always smoke cigarettes, but it's not socially rewarded. And I think alcohol's trending that direction.

Brandon Turner (00:28:46):
Yeah. It does seem to be that way. There's more and more people that are broadcasting like sobriety. Yeah. Cause I mean like I think everybody on earth would gen, I mean most everyone would agree this is really not good. Like for society, it's not good for your health. Like most people would agree that we do it in spite of, you know, the health benefits. Like, it's like, oh yeah, I know it's not good but I'm gonna do it anyway. And so as soon as there are better alternatives. So what's, what's your opinion on there? There's a early but growing trend of like the marijuana drinks, like things like that. Like does that take the place of this in your mind because it's more healthy? Not really. Like where, where does that fall in your,

Ryan Kennedy (00:29:20):
In my mind it's definitely less damaging than alcohol. Mm-hmm. . But it doesn't take the place of alcohol because it doesn't elicit the same response. Okay. I dunno about you guys. I love a low-dose thc. If I'm gonna go on like a hike or go for a paddle, do something out in nature, I love to take like a three or a five milligram edible. Fantastic. Totally. Like uplifts me enhances the experience. I do not want that. If I'm gonna go socialize with people, I become like ultra introverted. Mm-hmm. , I have trouble using my words. Like as I'm not as verbally fluent. Yeah. I'm not as outgoing, I'm not as energetic. It's not as uplifting for the social context that most people drink. For me, and I know everyone's different, but I think most people would agree, like you don't wanna get super stoned and then go network and talk to people and like hang out at a party.

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And unless they're like super close to you, you probably aren't gonna be as open with your conversations. You're gonna be more self-conscious, you're gonna be more in your own head. And so I think there's a lot of other benefits to cannabis and other uses and other aspects I think are good. And yes, I think it's way less harmful biologically and otherwise Yeah. Than alcohol. But I don't think it's gonna replace alcohol. Yeah. Yeah. I think people are just gonna use it what they like to get high for. Yeah. You know, like, you like to get high and some people can be totally functional stoners Yeah. And get super baked and disregard everything I just said and goes be like the life of the party. Yeah. I'm not one of those guys. Yeah. I don't know about you guys, but

Brandon Turner (00:30:42):
Nope. Yeah. No, I've never, I've never done th day at all. Oh, okay. Not even a bit. So like, I don't even know, I mean, I drink alcohol but I don't, yeah. I don't know how it'd be, but I That makes perfect sense. I've always wondered cuz like, as I think most people are would agree that uh, like marijuana will be legalized in the next few years probably kind

Ryan Kennedy (00:30:57):
Of

Brandon Turner (00:30:57):
Already is. Yeah. I mean, kind of is most places, right? Yeah. But it's, it's definitely trending more and more both legally and socially acceptable. So I I I just wonder what does that impact do? And maybe it's not, maybe it's a third category, it's not replacing alcohol. Like, it'd be nice if it did. Right. Like it would be, that would have a lot less Yeah. Damage to everything.

Ryan Kennedy (00:31:15):
One thing to circle back on, there's CVA bars here in Maui. I actually saw one near where I'm staying. Yeah. Up in the h We should go to a kava bar and uh, have some kava. You guys would dig it?

Brandon Turner (00:31:25):
Is that what Sasha's husband brought to? Were you there for that event? We had, we had an event out in Maui. Uh, a cavi outdoor event. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't, yeah. Sasha's husband came and spike the

Ryan Murdock (00:31:33):
Punch bowl. Did

Brandon Turner (00:31:34):
He? Or nobody brought like this bowl that like he, cuz he's like a Hawaiian, like, you know, like dude and he like, he brought this bowl and we all like shared some, I'm pretty sure it was co I

Ryan Kennedy (00:31:43):
It sounds like it. You usually serve it in like a wood bowl.

Brandon Turner (00:31:45):
Yes.

Ryan Kennedy (00:31:45):
That's what it was. Yeah. And then there's like a cheesecloth type thing and you put the cove in there and you like knit it or Exactly. Kind like mash it up in there and it creates this like kind of milky looking water. Yep. And then you serve it up and if you drink a small amount, you usually don't feel very much, it's very dose dependent. Yeah. Like most things you drink like a couple cups, you just feel loose, you feel good, you feel uplifted. Mm-hmm. . And if you drink a shitload of it, you can get fucked up.

Brandon Turner (00:32:07):
Really. I mean it's like, it's like alcohol or more like weed or more. It's its own thing.

Ryan Kennedy (00:32:12):
It's kind of its own thing, dude. I'm never actually drinking enough to feel fast. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. Well,

Brandon Turner (00:32:16):
Let's go tonight. Let's go .

Ryan Kennedy (00:32:17):
Let's find out. But yeah, I think that that's a good movement of just like people seeking out other ways to bond and other ways to take the edge off and other ways to kind of Yeah. Get outside of your normal day-to-day state of mind. Mm-hmm. I think that's,

Ryan Murdock (00:32:31):
It's just an escape. Yeah. I mean, people looking for an escape. Right. However they can get

Brandon Turner (00:32:33):
It. Yeah.

Ryan Kennedy (00:32:34):
But I mean, I think you're right, A lot of people are, but there's a lot of people like myself and probably you, probably you two. They're like, I'm not trying to escape my life. But if we had a few, a few seltzers right now Yeah. Like I'd feel great and we would enhance our conversation and we'd, we'd just have a good time. Oh, I'm

Brandon Turner (00:32:49):
Way funnier when I have some, uh, yeah, I bet. Excuse me. Yeah. It's, it's it's way better . Um, nah, that's funny. Okay, so the weed thing, it takes the place of alcohol or not, it probably won't mm-hmm. . But what I'm curious to, to move into this conversation of there are people who say like, alcohol is terrible, you should not drink it. Other people who think that it is, some people say weed's terrible and you should never touch it. Other people. And they all have studies that back it up and then we shift to food. Right? Yeah. And there are people who say, I mean there are like, I've got that book in there, how not to die, right? And then how not the diet, phenomenal book, well-written full of psycho like science and all that. And basically proves that any meat will kill you and you're basically committing suicide by eating meat. And then there's the carnivore diet and they say the exact same thing and they have studies to back up why eating any vegetable at all, especially kale is gonna kill you. Right. Those are complete opposites. And we have science that prove both how, how do we make sense as a somebody who's trying to just live the best life possible? How do we make sense of all the conflicting science around food and diet and drink and everything.

Ryan Kennedy (00:33:51):
It's unreasonably complicated. Yes, you're absolutely right For the average person, whatever specific diet you choose for the average person, they know what to do. You know what to do. Most people know what to do. And that you might not know exactly like how much meat should I have? What should my macros look like? All the, the minutiae. Mm-hmm. . But everyone knows you shouldn't go eat fast food. You shouldn't be binging on ice cream late at night. You shouldn't be downing Oreos and eating a bunch of crap. Right. Like most people know that. But if people just stop doing that, it would solve almost, I would say 95% plus of like people's nutrition problems. Yeah. It's just stop eating dog shit food. Yeah. Like the ultra process. The Franken foods that don't even resemble anything close to what grows and lives on this planet. That's where people need to start.

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Now for people that I've already started there and you're like, all right Ryan, I'm eating a whole foods diet. Like I'm not buying a much of this junk food. I'm not eating out at these terrible restaurant establishments. Like I'm cooking my own stuff and I'm eating some plants and I'm eating some animal products, but like I'm having some issues with this or that. Well that's where, you know, it does become really challenging to see what is best technically. Cuz there's no perfect diet for everyone. We're all unique, dude. We all thrive on different stuff. I was telling Ryan here earlier how some of the stuff he's doing with his nutrition, he was like, Hey man, what do you think? Like, I've been doing this the last week or so and I'm feeling good, but like is this problem? And there are different genetic SNPs and different genotypes that make it so maybe some people thrive on like a high fat keto type diet with lots of butter and lots of bacon and lots of fat.

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Other people that's gonna massively drive up their lipids and make their lipid profile look like trash and could increase their risk of a lot of issues around heart disease. There's some people that thrive on a very carni diet like tons meat. Other people aren't able to break down that meat very well because of the digestive issues. You need a lot of stomach acid to break down red meat. So it's very nuanced. But from a fundamental perspective, I generally believe we're all omnivores. I've worked with a lot of people that were vegans that came to me for help because their hair was falling out. Yeah. Their teeth were chipping. They had no energy, they had no sex drive. Their skin was a mess. And I've helped restore their health by bringing in high quality animal products. Now a lot of vegans can point to some celebrity vegan.

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Yeah. You know, rich roll or whoever who's been falling a vegan diet for 35 years or 150 years, whatever. And they can say, no, no, no. Look at this dude. He's doing it. And it's like, yeah, okay. He is cool. Does that mean you can do it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And does that mean you're gonna do it exactly how he does it and take whatever supplements you need to replenish nutrient deficiencies? The way I look at it from a fundamental perspective is we can't get all the nutrition we need from the plant kingdom. Certain essential vitamins, essential mineral acids and essential fatty acids. And just honestly minerals as well. You can't get appreciable amounts of 'em through a plant diet. Like you'll be functionally deficient in a lot of things. So taking the premise of eat whole foods, most of us are omnivorous, like eat some plants, eat some animals.

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What percentage of that depends on the person should give people enough of a fundamental understanding to not allow all the mixed opinions and battles going on between the vegans and the carnivores and all these different diet camps. Throw them off just like dude, take action on what you know to be true. Which is just like eat a little better. And the other thing with your ultimate question of like, dude, why is all this research so conflicting? How can they have a study that shows this and a study that shows that it's because nutrition is just one aspect of health. We don't know what the other things those people were doing in the studies. Yeah, sure. You know, whether they were drinking or smoking, whether they were exercising, whether they had a terrible marriage or a phenomenal relationship. Whether they're had great kids or uh, terrible children that were causing all sorts of stress in their lives and we don't know what their sleep look like, which is undeniably more important than nutrition.

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It doesn't matter how perfect your diet is, if your sleep is a mess, your health will suffer. Mm-hmm. Without a doubt. And if you are not sleeping well, making good nutrition choices becomes exponentially more difficult because you don't have the willpower. You don't have the energy. The bottom line is energy is the currency of life, dude. So if you don't have energy, good luck following an exercise program. Yeah. Making good food choices, being a good partner, being a good person, your family and your friends. Dude, we need energy and sleep is the foundation of that for sure. And even just one poor night of sleep will make your blood sugar levels look like that of a diabetic. Mm-hmm. . I mean it's crazy the impact it has on our insulin sensitivity. And so

Brandon Turner (00:38:19):
Have you heard that study about the, this might be a totally myth, but about the daylight savings time every year. Yeah. And the number of accidents that happened that day.

Ryan Kennedy (00:38:26):
Yeah. They just stopped it in California. Oh really? Which I'm pretty stupid

Brandon Turner (00:38:28):
About. Well you don't have daylight savings in California or

Ryan Kennedy (00:38:30):
So they, they just stopped it. So we just changed the clocks. Yep. You know, last week or whatever it was. Yep. And it's gonna stay like this.

Brandon Turner (00:38:35):
No way. Yeah. It's like Hawaii. Cause Hawaii we don't change. Yeah. Yeah. There's some but

Ryan Kennedy (00:38:39):
They always used to change it every

Brandon Turner (00:38:39):
Change it and then like every year the highest amount of it was like something like the highest amount of traffic deaths happened on the day of that people got an hour less sleep. Well

Ryan Kennedy (00:38:46):
There there's a ton of Yeah. So that's not a myth. That's absolute fact that there's a massive spike in number of fatalities. Yeah. Some are from, you know, vehicle accidents. Yeah. Some are from heart attacks. Yeah. Some are from all sorts of other things that just like people's sleep gets thrown off a little bit and bad shit happens. Yeah. You know, so it's It's pretty wild. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:39:04):
Crazy. Yeah. That's

Ryan Murdock (00:39:06):
The reason I moved to Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah. It's too hot in Arizona. I didn't like it there so I had to come here.

Brandon Turner (00:39:10):
Yeah. That's funny. But the

Ryan Kennedy (00:39:11):
Bigger, I think the bigger point Brandon is don't let all the conflicting research bother you again, whatever a study says, if you eat this way and you're looking better, you're feeling better, your biomarkers are looking better. Every objective and subjective measure Yeah. Is telling you like, bro, this is good for you. Don't let this study or that expert or this person or this social media person tell you otherwise. Mm-hmm. like, you know your body, you know what inputs make you feel good versus don't. Yeah. And beyond subjective feelings. Run some lab testing. Yeah. See what your biomarkers look like. Run some blood

Brandon Turner (00:39:45):
Work blood. I'm gonna dig in on that. Like what does that mean? Cause I know people do that. I have a lot of friends that do that. Ryan was talking about did it with you. Yes. Did it? Yep. Right. Like what did that do? I just go to the hospital and be like, Hey, I need some blood tests. Like what do I, how did that work?

Ryan Kennedy (00:39:55):
Yeah, yeah. So no, what am I looking for? No, no, no trip to the hospital. Necessary. You would want to either go to your primary care physician. Okay. And this is mostly if you're looking to get things run through insurance. Okay. And they're gonna run a very basic blood work. So they're gonna draw your blood out. They're gonna look at essentially your complete blood count, your cbc and a metabolic profile. So to look at like your kidney function, your liver function, your fasting blood sugar and a few other things. Very basic. And what happens unfortunately is a lot of times people do that and they're like, listen dude, I got headaches, I got no energy. I'm having all these problems. And the physician who means, well in my, in my philosophy, they do, they do mean well there's not trained in a lot of this stuff.

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They look at those bloods, they say you're, you're fine. You're not dying, your bloods are fine. And they send 'em away and they come back in year. It might just all be in your head. So they don't provide a lot of help. The type of blood work I run with people. And if you wanted to do this, you would wanna seek out either a functional medicine practitioner or a naturopath. Clinical nutritionist is someone that actually does this Yeah. As part of their work and and their specialty. And you'd run a whole battery of, of blood work that goes above and beyond just like your basic, what's your total cholesterol and what's these very basic panels. Yeah. And that'll give you so much insight into your body. It'll tell you where your hormones at. Do you have low testosterone? Maybe that's why you don't have much energy.

(00:41:12):
Maybe that's why you're having trouble losing weight. Maybe that let's saying this for you specifically. Yeah. But just in general issues that a lot of people suffer from can be identified through running blood work. So looking at hormones, looking at a lot of other things like inflammatory markers, your uh, hemoglobin a1c that assesses your blood sugar stability. Looking at other things that can be very insightful from a blood work perspective. So you have bloods that can be very helpful for people that help steer your recommendations. And then you have what I call kind of functional medicine testing. This is more advanced testing where you're looking at things that you can't really get through blood work. So I like one called an organic acid test. It assesses any microbiome imbalances. So kind of looking at your gut health. Is there too much Easter fungus, is there too much bacteria?

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Is there any pathogenic bacteria? It also measures your vitamin levels. It measures your am amino acids. It measures your neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine and looking at these critical brain chemicals that are responsible for things like anxiety and depression and a lot of mental challenges people suffer from and just poor quality of life. Yeah. So I like those. I like kind of, I'm, I'm a data guy dude. Yeah. I'm like, the more data we have, the better. So if someone comes to me, you know, I'll talk with them and say like, here's what this test costs, here's what this test costs. You decide what you wanna run. This is the value we're gonna get from this testing. And for someone like yourself who's just like, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out where to start, how I'm doing, what I should change. If anything, maybe you're doing great. This would be a good, a good option for you. Because I mean, even just a few hundred bucks would get you a really good blood panel in for less than a thousand dollars, probably seven to 800 bucks. You can run like a whole battery of testing. Now I will say a lot of people inflate those numbers because there's, you know, markup in different things. But realistically speaking, you could run a lot of good blood work for not that much money.

Brandon Turner (00:42:56):
Yeah. You know, I was at a conference, I don't know, year ago or so, like, and I heard something, I think David Sinclair maybe, like he's a Harvard longevity guy. Mm-hmm. and there's a few others there, but I, I can't remember if it was David or somebody else, but they were talking about this idea of like, basically what you're saying there is that we can look at our body, like the numbers of data and it's like, Hey, you're too low on this, so then eat more of this. That's right. Right. And you could, and all I'd never realized, you can gamify your body and your health. Right. Yeah. And it blew my mind. And I'm like, so how far are away are we from this? And maybe they have it today. I don't know. How far are we, I can have like a thing on my arm. Right. That's always monitoring all of it. Yeah. And just hooked up to my phone. It's like, Hey, it looks like today I want you to eat four more ounces of red meat because you're a little low here and here. Yep. I can just always tells you what to do all the time. Is that coming? Is that here? That

Ryan Kennedy (00:43:39):
Would be tough. That would be tough because, so we have things on the way there. Yeah. We have what's called continuous glucose monitors. Yep. Okay. Yeah. It's in your arm all the time. It's saying where your blood sugar. But now a lot of biohackers and people in the health space are using them. Mm-hmm. To see like, hey, if I have rice, how does that impact my blood sugar if I have potatoes? Cuz peop, different people have a different glycemic response to different foods. And so a guy named Rob Wolf wrote about this in his book, how he took, you know, CGMs and he basically tracked blood sugar readings from two groups of people giving a banana versus giving a cookie. Most people would objectively say like, dude, the cookie's gonna be way worse. It's like refined sugar, refined grains, it's a problem, it's dessert. The other one's like, oh that's fruit. It's got fiber. Well some people responded worse to the banana than, than they did the cookie. Same person, two different foods and then other people the opposite. So it's, that's where the CGM can give you more data in that regard.

Brandon Turner (00:44:27):
It's the same way you eat cookies not bananas.

Ryan Kennedy (00:44:28):
Yeah. That's exact . That's the best takeaway you could have gotten from this analogy.

Brandon Turner (00:44:32):
Alright. Right guys, that was a good show. Listening. Now I'm gonna get some cookies. Yeah, yeah. I got a whole bunch up there. Yeah.

Ryan Kennedy (00:44:36):
Perfect. And then there's other devices like I'm wearing this ring, it's called an or ring. Mm-hmm . And there's the whoop, which can quantify your sleep and your heart rate and your R v and a number of different things that can give you really good insights. A gamify your health, gamify your sleep. When I go to bed, how much deep sleep did I get? How much REM sleep did I get? How many wake up did I have? Really cool, really cool devices. But to assess your nutrients in real time is more challenging because you have to look at what's interest cellular, your levels versus just what's in the serum. One example of this is you could test your, let's say, uh, serum magnesium and your body is gonna keep your electrolytes relatively stable within your bloodstream for health because you could actually die if your electrolytes get too off balance.

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But you could be completely deficient in magnesium within your cells. And so you'd wanna run what's called a magnesium rbc, what's in the red blood cell. You could take this same example with vitamin b12. You can take the same example for a lot of things of looking like what's in the blood versus what's inside your cell can be two different things. And with what you're describing, I think it would be hard with the technology we have available today to in real time assess your interests on your levels. Yeah. I'm sure there are some correlations and some markers we could look at, but I think what you're describing is probably, I don't know, I would say like five to 10 years down the road, but it could come sooner. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:45:57):
But just that idea. Yeah. Even if we, even if we just do small bits of it, right? Like hey, like my blood sugar's messed up today. Like and there's certain foods that I just know I don't feel good. I know it's the blood sugar's just wrong. Right. Yeah. And I can, I can, I can definitely know that like, and because I, I for example, I eat a lot less pasta and breads today than I ever used. Okay. Like when I used to, when I was younger I used to always eat, you know, pizza no problem, whatever. Now if I have like two sides of pizza, I just feel like crap. Like I feel really bad. So it seems our bodies adjust over time too. Right. Would you kinda like don't eat or drink a lot of sugar then even a little bit of sugar makes you feel like oh that's way too sugary. Right. Do am I right in that

Ryan Kennedy (00:46:31):
To some extent. Okay. So your body's adjust in some for the sugar example Yeah. In unfavorable ways. Yeah. Cause then you become more insulin resistant. Yeah. Your body needs to produce more insulin to manage your blood sugar from that spike from eating that sugar. And that what is what ultimately creates pathological insulin resistance and turns into, you know, metabolic syndrome and diabetes. Yeah. So it's not like your body's having a healthy adaptation. It's actually adapting in really unfavorable ways that caused this disease pathology. But to your point, I always found it fascinating when people are like, I used to eat really, really shitty. Now I eat really clean, but when I eat shitty I feel horrible. Yeah. Whereas before

Brandon Turner (00:47:09):
I feel horrible Before that's my que Yeah. Did I always, I just lived horrible and I just, I didn't know the other, so

Ryan Kennedy (00:47:14):
That's my thought process. Cause I don't have the answer to that question. Yeah. Yeah. But when I hear this and I'm, I've obviously heard it hundreds and hundreds of times over the years. Yep. And it's not like an uncommon phenomenon. Yeah. So it's like is your body becoming less resilient to unhealthy foods because you're giving it such proper inputs Maybe. Or maybe your perceived quality of life is completely different now than it used to be. Mm-hmm . And what is feeling good today is different than what was feeling good 10 or 20 years ago when you were eating all this processed carbohydrate. That could be part of it could be a combination of both. Yeah. You know, I don't have the answer to that but it is an interesting thought experiment of it's like, well, did I ever feel good before when I was like eating really poorly and drinking all the time and not sleeping? It's like, I don't know. Yeah. Because we don't know what we don't

Brandon Turner (00:47:54):
Know. And also I was 20 when I was doing that. Yeah. Which is very different than 38 7.

Ryan Kennedy (00:47:58):
Totally. Your, your body has a lot more resilience when you're young. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:48:00):
So I was 20 eating pizza. I probably like had so much energy cuz I was 20 that Sure. I didn't notice it. So it, if I just, yeah. So yeah. Fascinating. Yeah.

Ryan Kennedy (00:48:09):
All

Brandon Turner (00:48:09):
Right. Ice bath. What's the deal?

Ryan Kennedy (00:48:11):
. It's the coolest thing you can do is is take an ice bath post

Brandon Turner (00:48:15):
The coolest on media thing you could do. Get it. Coolest . All right. Yeah. It is, it is a phenomena of social media, right? I mean like some people throw a bunch of ice in their, uh, chest of uh, you know, whatever metal. Great. And then go throw it on social media. Just those weird, I was like, like I'm making fun of Ryan Murdoch here cuz he did that today, right?

Ryan Murdock (00:48:33):
Yeah. Clients are quiet over here. Cause my, my core temperature is only 68 degrees still right now. I'm frozen to death. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:48:38):
What's the, is this a psychological thing or is this a physiological thing or both? Or is this a social media thing?

Ryan Kennedy (00:48:44):
So it's a all of the above. Okay. So it definitely has proven impacts on your mindset. Yeah. In terms of helping you to ramp up dopamine. So it's improving your mood, it's improving your mental state. It's helping you in that regard. There's proven physiological benefits to your body in terms of how it reduces inflammation and how it can help create this nervous system resilience. So, and it can also help accelerate fat burning and there's a whole bunch of other proven benefits that cold exposure can have. So there's a lot of like, this is all grounded in science and a lot of the people that have been in the health space for a long time have been recommending cold exposure for decades. Not, not months that it's been a fat on social media. So this is like legit stuff. There's legit science and I think that there's a lot to be said about just the discipline it builds of that kind of mental muscle.

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Yeah. Where you're just doing something you really don't want to do mm-hmm. and it sucks and you do it anyways and you overcome that resistance that in and of itself, whether it's a cold plunge exercise, whatever, it's Yeah. It's very valuable. And so I love cold plunges. I've had a converted chest freezer before. It was cool back. We're talking like 2018 and I wasn't even that early in the scene cause there's been people doing it probably since, you know, pre 2000. Yeah. And I think it's awesome. Yes. It's become a fad because people love to virtual signal. They love to tell you on social media why there's so much healthier and so much more resilience and have so much more willpower than you do. And why you should too. I mean that's social media. Yeah. Doesn't defeat the fact that cold exposure's good for you. Yeah. You know, it's good for humans to get cold once in a while and get uncomfortable in general. I love the sauna even more than I love cold exposure. Mm-hmm I think the is the single greatest, the single greatest investment anyone can make into health equipment.

Brandon Turner (00:50:32):
Really. Tell me about this guy. I, I go into AANA every once in a while then one yesterday with Alex and a bunch of other old dudes that were in there. Yeah. Uh, including a bunch of naked ones. And so like I'm in there and I'm sitting there like it's hot. I don't feel any different. Yeah. So we were, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes and then we left. I'm like, I don't feel, I don't feel any different whatsoever than

Ryan Kennedy (00:50:50):
Normal. And that how often do you do it?

Brandon Turner (00:50:52):
I mean I did it once. I mean like I've probably done it 10 times in my life. Right. Maybe

Ryan Kennedy (00:50:55):
20. So, so if you were to exercise one time and you were like, Ryan, I'm not fit my life does not change. I don't feel that different other than like I got a little sweaty and now I'm a little sticky and uncomfortable and I'm probably gonna ache tomorrow. Yeah. Even when you rule out exercise with sauna, it takes time to really compound the benefits similar to exercise but man, the amount of research on how it extends your life, it's wild. The, it decreases what's referred to as all cause mortality. So just your chances of dying period for many disease, any ailment by like 68%, it extends your life. And I don't have the exact statistics off the top of my head, but four times, four weeks sauna has been shown to have these incredible life extending outcomes for people. Yeah. And I personally as someone that uses the sauna all the freaking time, think that it's makes you just feel out of this world's good.

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Like I feel so good when I leave the sauna during, I enjoy it as well. And I think a lot of that is you're just like sweating out the demons dude , you just get in there and you just sweat mentally, physically you're just detoxing all sorts of crap that we carry around with us and having a deep sweat. Again, everyone's different. There's people I work with that get into a consistent exercise regimen and they don't feel that good after exercise. They don't have that same endorphin spike, that same mood boost, that same mental clarity and energy boost that most people, I would say get majority of people

Brandon Turner (00:52:13):
Miserable afterwards. . Yeah.

Ryan Kennedy (00:52:15):
Working out. So the majority of people would say like, yeah when I work out I feel better after like work workout aside results, you know, aside, I feel better mentally after I work out. It's interesting you say that cuz there's a small percentage of people that would agree with you. Very small percentage. Well

Brandon Turner (00:52:28):
If I work out like to a medium, like it's good. It was fun. I lifted some weights. I feel good if I like go ju jiujitsu or if I go and like max out some kind of lift at the gym or which I don't go that often, but if I do it then I just feel so tired and like exhausted. I just wanna sleep for a month. Right. So that that it's maybe I just, I overdid it. Sure. Right.

Ryan Kennedy (00:52:48):
I think that's, yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:52:50):
It's very easy to overtrain. Yeah. Cause you're just dying and Yep. Somebody's trying to kill

Ryan Kennedy (00:52:53):
You. But if you do a medium intensity lift Yeah. For you know, 2030 minutes. Yeah. Afterward. Do you feel better about yourself or do you object you, are you saying you feel better like regardless of the, you're proud of yourself and you got something in that you wanted to do? Yeah.

Brandon Turner (00:53:07):
Yeah. Both. Especially I run running. I know. So if I go out for a three mile run I feel great at like I feel that great afterwards. If I go out for a eight mile run I feel miserable for two days. Right. So this just clearly one is overdoing it and I like the long runs cuz I feel proud that I did it. I'm like God, I just ran eight miles but I never feel like I'm just too tired the whole night. I don't wanna play with my kids. I don't wanna do anything cause I'm just, my body's just, and maybe it's an energy thing but actually, so I did a like a half iron man and that was the only time I've ever like fueled during a race. Like during a run normally I just like go the entire 8, 10, 12 miles without even drinking water. Right. I just do full thing. Right. Wow. Maybe okay, maybe we're finding the problem. Here's

Ryan Murdock (00:53:41):
Just like an extreme like but zero to a thousand miles an hour. Yeah. Instantly. And

Brandon Turner (00:53:45):
Then, but the triathlon I felt great and afterwards like I would've been like, oh I'm fine because I kept having those energy pouches cause that's what they took handing out at all the every miles keeping keep. So maybe it's actually an energy management thing throughout my workout.

Ryan Kennedy (00:53:56):
Could be. Could be. But I think what you shared is reasonable for most people. If you really kill yourself and you do a couple hours JI jujitsu or you go and just deadlift at the gym and you do all these compound lifts and you're there for a long time and you crush yourself, you're gonna feel fatigued after. Yeah. And you may not feel as good as you did before the workout. Yeah. But for most workouts, people go in feeling one way, they come out feeling better. Yeah. And that increase ranges based on the person. Some people it's maybe a 5% improvement. Other people might feel two or three times better than they than they went in. Their mood is better. They just have overall better quality of life from their own subjective metrics. Hmm. Sauna is the same kind of thing. Except I feel like it's intensifies that improvement you feel from exercise.

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So when I, I think the trifecta that I just think is the bees knees for mental health and and physical health. But you just feel so damn good after is a workout followed by a sauna. Cap it off with some cold. Could be a cold shower, could be a jump in, you know, your cold pool, do a cold plunge. That trifecta is the greatest thing in just feeling so high in your own supply. Like your mood and your outlook and everything is just like I revving on all, all cylinders. Like you just feel amazing and it just also so happens to be fantastic for your physical health. But I think mental health, like depression, anxiety, stress, a lot of these things that people suffer from like in epidemic numbers. Yeah. You know, I think would a ton of it could be alleviated by those three things. And I'll add a fourth one. Some sensible sun exposure. Mm.

Brandon Turner (00:55:28):
Sensible sun

Ryan Kennedy (00:55:29):
Exposure. Sensible sun exposure.

Brandon Turner (00:55:31):
What do you mean? Just getting sun vitamin D and but

Ryan Kennedy (00:55:33):
In the sensible way. Okay. So don't go out to the beach if you're fair-skinned in the peak summer for four hours. Sure. And get burnt to a crisp. But then you're like eh, that wasn't very sensible was it? Or

Brandon Turner (00:55:42):
Like Austin right now who's sitting in the sun with his legs because he is trying to hold this flap shut. Yeah. Uh, you're a hero man. American hero don't get burned. Yeah. .

Ryan Kennedy (00:55:51):
So I think those would honestly be the four things. I think they're as important or more so than nutrition when it comes to mental health in just how freaking amazing you feel after man. Mm-hmm It's spectacular.

Brandon Turner (00:56:02):
Yeah. That's one of those things too kind. Just like we talked about earlier. Do I not remember how bad I felt before like living in Hawaii for five years now? I'm like I don't remember what it was like not to be in the sun all day long. Yeah. Cuz we're just constantly outside in the, and there's sun hitting me right now as we like in this room there's direct sunlight hitting me. Right. Like okay, are you like, uh, what's that one like that's gonna like the lay your back get uh, sun your butt. You know, like that thing what's ironium? Yeah. Yeah. That thing. That's the thing, right? Like what I What's that about ? That's the

Ryan Kennedy (00:56:29):
Thing. That's another uh, and

Brandon Turner (00:56:30):
That's just a weirdo thing.

Ryan Kennedy (00:56:31):
Yeah. Mostly social media driven. Uh Okay. Yeah. That uh, people thought hey I can get some attention. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If you can get attention, let's do it. Mm-hmm. Is there some reasonable backing that sunning your balls specifically is good for you? Absolutely. Okay. And I am one to lay out naked every day. Okay. In my yard. I have a gated, you know, kind of compound in the front

Brandon Turner (00:56:50):
Yard next to the school. Yeah.

Ryan Kennedy (00:56:52):
. Yeah. I get thank you cards from my neighbors all the time. . They love it. They love it. . And I do this every day with very few exceptions when I'm home. So two gentlemen here and for any guys listening to this, a different but similar benefit would happen for women is it's really powerful for balancing your hormones because when the near end red light from the sun hits the late cells and the testes, it upregulates your production of testosterone now is suning your balls and then being stressed and not sleeping and eating like shit and drinking alcohol gonna like ramp up your testosterone like you're on steroids. Of course not , but it is gonna have a measurable effect. Yeah. In the right direction. And I think of our bodies like solar panel. And so the more skin exposure you have, the more benefits you're gonna get ultimately with vitamin D synthesis, enhancing your mitochondria, enhancing your overall health.

(00:57:41):
It is just phenomenal dude. Hmm. I mean people forget that we're solar powered animals. You remove a human from the sun, bad shit happens to your health and to your mental state. We need the sun to thrive. And fortunately, I mean I'm super passionate about this because of the brainwashing and and misinformation that's been spread by like the dermatology industry and like a lot of just mainstream media outlets telling people to fear the sun, that it causes skin cancer. That you shouldn't go outside without slathering 6,000 spf f all over your face and body and then wearing a mask and a hat and sunglasses and yeah. It's like, dude, this is such a disservice to the mental and physical health of our society.

Ryan Murdock (00:58:21):
So where is the line on that for you? Because you said sensible, right? So you don't wanna go out and cook in the sun. That's right. Turn into a lobster. So where, where's that line between, because I saw you put sunscreen on earlier today I think on the hike, right? Like halfway. Halfway through it. So there is a point to which you

Ryan Kennedy (00:58:32):
Couple topics to unpack there. You don't wanna get sunburnt, it's the main premise. Right? Okay. Because burns are bad for your skin. Okay. Whether it's from the sun, the stovetop hot water, you don't want to constantly burn your skin cause that is oxidative damage. So how much time is a tough question to answer because it depends on your skin. You know, some people are more fair skinned, some people have dark skin. Depends on your proximity to the equator. Cause that'll determine the intensity of the sun depends on the time of which

Brandon Turner (00:58:57):
Is why people get burned all the time. Tourists come here to Hawaii.

Ryan Kennedy (00:58:59):
Yeah. And they e like in in San Diego I this time of year. Yeah. You know like tail end of winter I can be out for three, four hours and not get sunburns. Yeah. Even if it's a sunny day. Granted I've built, you know, solar callous, so I'm used to the sun and I take nutrients that help enhance my skin's resilience to the sun. But it does depend on those factors. So as a general rule of thumb, Ryan, I generally recommend people go out for, if it's midday, like peak solar, noon, no more than 10 or 15 minutes. But during that 10 or 15 minutes you want peak, you know, max sun exposure. So take off your shirt, wear swim trunks or whatever, lay out maybe on your back for 10 minutes, flip over on your stomach, lay out for another 10 minutes. Golden. So the backstop is don't don't let yourself burn.

(00:59:38):
Don't let yourself burn you. You'll kind of see blood pooling to the skin and starting to turn just a little bit pink when you're starting to burn. And so you can monitor that. And then the other component to this question is like the sunscreen topic. You have two types of sunscreen. You have chemical sunscreen and you have mineral sunscreen. Chemical sunscreen is what's mass produced and sold and most people use and it's horrendous and killing God. Like they, they don't allow it in Maui because it's, it's not only terrible for our ecosystem, it's horrible for your body. And I think if you look at the rates of of skin cancer and sunscreen usage, they go up right in line with each other. Really interesting. Yeah. Now there is mineral sunscreen where you could just get a natural zinc oxide and I'll use that if I'm out hiking or out surfing and I'm not able to wear a hat for whatever reason, I'll just put a little on my nose, a little on my forehead.

(01:00:25):
Cause those are the areas that can tend to be more prone to sun damage for me and for most people. And the skin on your face is also more sensitive than the skin on your body. It's a little bit thinner. And you also, you know, most people fear the sun also cuz they don't want accelerated aging of their skin. They don't want to get wrinkles. And it is true that if you're laying out in the sun all day, you are gonna accelerate the aging of your skin. So you wanna do this smart. And then I think the biggest thing people should take away from this is don't feel like this chemical sunscreen protects you from sun damage. Cuz I see a lot of people that spray this super toxic sunscreen all over them. Then they're like, oh I just go out to the beach for four hours.

(01:01:02):
Like Ryan said not to because I got sunscreen on me. Not the case. You're still getting that radiation from the UVB and UVA rays. You are still getting damage to the skin even if you're not burning because of the, the chemicals you put on. And it's not a good strategy for aging gracefully and having healthy skin. Not to mention your health and sunscreen blocks all the benefits we get from the sun. So if you layer on sunscreen, even the mineral sunscreen, you're not gonna synthesize vitamin D you're not gonna get a lot of the benefits I'm talking about. Yes. Yeah. So what I recommend people do is go out, get as much sun as you can without burning. Maybe that's five minutes. Yeah. Maybe that's 45 minutes depending on the person, depending on the time of year. And then put on a hat, put on a long sleeve shirt cover up.

(01:01:44):
Like you don't want to just then lather on sunscreen and stay out for four more hours. If you do that a couple times a year and you're wearing some sunscreen cause you're out snorkeling or whatever, you don't wanna wear rash guard or whatever it is. Okay. But for most of us it's like you're better off putting a little sunscreen on your face if you're surfing. Cause that's one of the, i I surf a lot so it's like yeah. Good luck wearing a hat. Yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, but I could still put on like a rash guard. I could still cover up most of my body and uh, that's gonna really maximize the benefits while, while minimizing the downsides. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (01:02:13):
Interesting little psa. Also there's a expiration dates on sunscreen . When I was in like fifth grade, we went to a wave pool for the day. And this is before mineral, but it was chemical. But anyway, we all put on sunscreen and then like all 12 boys, like all my friends, we all got like third degree burns of our whole body. Like it was the most miserable I've ever been in my entire life. I mean it was Oh wow. Just, just flaking skin. I mean we, we all like nine hours in like 110 degree heat. Just, we all died. I mean it was the worst thing ever.

Ryan Murdock (01:02:39):
Check the dates on.

Brandon Turner (01:02:40):
Yeah, it was like two years expired. So check the dates on your on screen if you could use it. Alright, so we got sun exposure. That's awesome. We got cold plunge maybe. How do you feel, by the way, Ryan, going back to that real quick. How do you feel now having cold plunge? What, two hours ago?

Ryan Murdock (01:02:52):
Yeah. No, this, this is funny because even up to, up until like four or five days ago, I was making fun of Yes. Cold plunging people. That's why I

Brandon Turner (01:02:58):
Was so shocked when I went

Ryan Murdock (01:02:58):
Back to you're never gonna do this. Turn

Brandon Turner (01:02:59):
My pool on.

Ryan Murdock (01:03:00):
I hate the cold. Like there is no way in hell you're ever gonna see me cold plunging. And here I am today in a bucket of ice water. I will say it's not nearly as bad as I thought it was gonna be. I hate even taking a cold shower. Like I'll flip the, the valve from hot to cold. Even here in Hawaii where the water's not that cold and I hate it. Like I'm not doing this. Like no, I didn't get an quite enough ice today. I think my water temp was only 54 degrees with see optimal temp you want like low forties or something, right?

Ryan Kennedy (01:03:23):
Yeah. I don't know if there's a specific optimal temp. Yeah. But for a proper cold plunge, typically you want it sub 45. Okay.

Ryan Murdock (01:03:29):
Yeah. So I, I didn't buy enough ice. I'll do it better maybe tomorrow. But yeah, it wasn't bad. I jumped in 54 degrees and I stayed in there for like 20 minutes and, and was, it was really, okay, so ask me again after I do it in the, in the low forties, but I think it's gonna be not nearly as miserable as I had thought it was gonna be. It got out, took a hot hour after that and, you know, feel, feel pretty good.

Brandon Turner (01:03:46):
Nice. I found that when I, so I've only done it one time. I went to this place in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho and it's like a coal plunge sauna place. So they have the coal plunge there. They have a sauna. I think it was like 25 bucks for an hour to hang out there. So I went in there, did the sauna, then I went and did the coal punch. I was so terrified. Right. Because I've done cold showers and I've done cold showers fairly often cause everyone says it's good. So I did it for a while. Do it on and off anyway and I hate it. Yeah. They're awful. They're awful. I hate it. And I was like, this is gonna be so much worse. But yeah, I got in and I was like, oh, I mean it's weird. It's cold. It's not, not cold but it was, I would do that anytime over a cold shower, which is weird. I don't know.

Ryan Kennedy (01:04:17):
No, it's, it is different once you're fully submerged. Yeah. In the, in the cold water. But to both your guys' point, I have people sometimes ask me like whether they're patients I work with or just other people that follow me online and they'll say, Ryan, I hate cold plunges. Do I have to do it? Like, can I not do the cold plunge? I'm like, yes. You cannot do the cold plunge. You do not need to do a cold plunge. Be healthy. Yeah. Like there are so many other things you should be focusing your time and energy on. And we all only have so much call it bandwidth energy capacity. Yep. You know, to dedicate to things that are hard in our lives. And if you're diverting a huge percentage of that just for the cold plunge cuz it's so incredibly difficult for you, it's probably something you should not bother with. Mm-hmm. like focus on energy on exercise and optimizing your nutrition and your relationships and your work and your business and your family and all the other things that are more important than getting in a cold bucket of water for three minutes.

Ryan Murdock (01:05:10):
Yeah. I think for me it was the just like, I wanna follow your program. Right. I mean that's why I, that's why I signed up with you to begin with is I didn't wanna do the research I've done before and figured out workout exercises and, and figured out diets and, and always fallen off the wagon. And this time around was like, you know what? I don't wanna have to do the research for this cuz I think what I end up doing is just picking and choosing parts of different programs and you kind of cobble something together and I, I don't stick with it. So when I talk to you the first time I'm like, look, I just wanna pay you to gimme a list of instructions on what I need to do. Like I wanna learn about this but not, I don't wanna do the research.

(01:05:39):
I wanna learn about this as I'm doing it. So I want you to tell me how to work out how to eat. What do I need to do to be healthy so I don't have to think about that part of it. I just have to do it. And so far the results have been amazing. So to get in a cold plunge, I was dreading this day. Uh, I knew it was coming, but here was today and it really wasn't as bad, but it was a dedication to like, I just want to go all in and, and and do all this stuff.

Ryan Kennedy (01:05:58):
And for this specific instance, you had a particular situation where we went on a hike this morning and you're like, dude off trikes like this, my knees don't love me the next day. Yep. Like it's, it's kind of brutal. So that was why I was like, give this a try. Do a proper cold plunge. You don't even have to do your upper body just from the waist down to really bring down the inflammatory load on the joints and see if it's noticeably better tomorrow. Because if you're like, dude, it was not a big difference. Like my knees still freaking hurt, I'm probably not gonna have you continue doing cold pledges. Sure. Cause it's just not worth the time and effort and, and hassle and you don't enjoy it. So it's not that gonna be that sustainable for you. But in this specific instance it's like there's certain things that you can have a targeted prioritization of because of what you're looking to do.

Brandon Turner (01:06:44):
Yeah. That makes sense. Now you mentioned earlier the chest freezer. Yeah. Like how does that work? How does that filter the water? How do you keep it clean? Like how

Ryan Kennedy (01:06:52):
Does that work? Yeah, it doesn't have a filter. Okay. Yeah. So like I use colloidal silver, which I can explain what that is. It's, it, it's kind of more common in natural health circles, but it's a, it's a very powerful natural anti-microbial. Okay. And you could use it topically, you could use it internally. It's, it's really miraculous stuff that's kind of been hush hush by uh, powers to be that don't want you to know about all these natural alternatives. So I use SC silver, a lot of people use hydrogen peroxide and that like poured in the water. Yeah. Poured in the water. That'll just help disinfect and then you just wanna drain it every few weeks. Okay. Because it's still gonna get murky and kind of gross. Especially if you have a lot of people going in there. But that'll help keep it kind of the bacteria and gross kind of at bay for a couple weeks and then you just drain it and refill it and do it again.

(01:07:38):
Okay. Even the proper cold plunges that do have a full-blown filtration system. Yeah. You still need to drain those every so often. Like yeah, maybe not every couple weeks, it might be every month or every six weeks or whatever it is. But the water does get kind of stale and gross after a while and it's not a huge volume of water that you're wasting. And because I was just using chlo over, I would just use the water in my garden, in my plants and my yard and whatever else around to kind of just give up some water. And then as far as the uh, legit cold plunges, some of 'em use ozone, which I love. Ozone ozone is uh oh three instead of oxygen immune oh two. Okay. And it's a very powerful, again, antimicrobial oxidative therapy. A lot of use medical ozone for healing a number of different ailments. And it's one of those other therapies that almost no one's heard of. When you hear ozone, you think like the ozone layer. Oh god. Something with the atmosphere. I don't think it's good for us. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (01:08:26):
That we don't want ozone. Yeah. Yeah. That was my first thought. Yep.

Ryan Kennedy (01:08:29):
Well it turns out when used appropriately, ozone is freaking a miracle molecule. Yeah. It's fantastic. Which would be a too deep of a rabbit hole for us to go down today I think cuz it's like a whole nother conversation. But I love ozone, so people use that too for cleaning the water.

Brandon Turner (01:08:43):
All right, well let's shift gears here again. We could probably do 10,000 topics of health that you're gonna know a lot about. I want to go to begin wrapping things up, but let's start with this. Three books that have made a big impact on your life, maybe the biggest impact on your life.

Ryan Kennedy (01:08:55):
Mm. Say the first one is my favorite business book of all time called The Road Less Stupid Keith Cunningham. I

Brandon Turner (01:09:02):
Have that at my house. Yeah, you read it? I haven't read it yet. Oh my

Ryan Kennedy (01:09:04):
Gosh. It is phenomenal. I, there's not another book I've ever read that has as much value and actionable advice as that book in like 300 pages. Wow. It's, you know, I feel like a lot of business books and personal development books take 300 pages Yeah. To say what could be said in 30 pages. Yeah. Or less. This book took what should have been like 500 pages and made it even better and put it into 300 pages where that's cool. It's just tons of value. And every chapter, one of the things I took away from it that I apply to a lot of other aspects of my life is this guy Keith Cunningham, talks about this concept of thinking time. Mm. Yeah. And how humans are always just trying to do, do, do. And we have this conceived notion that if we just sit around and think it's a waste of time, right.

(01:09:50):
By taking the time to think through what actions you're gonna take and actually make much more deliberate choices, it's the most valuable thing we could be spending our time with. Agreed. It's incredibly powerful. And so he has every chapter, it's a different like topic and this is a business oriented, but at the end of it he has these thinking time prompts and this whole thing is like, take a journal, shut everything down your computer or your phone and sit and think and journal on these things for 30 minutes and really put a bunch of thoughts. And these prompts that he gives you are pheno for anyone who's an entrepreneur, anyone that's looking to enhance their business. Like, this is the greatest book I've ever read. Cool. I love it. So that's one there,

Brandon Turner (01:10:27):
Uh, the thinking time thing. Uh, one, one thing I say all the time to people is the most profitable time of my entire week, the time I make the most money is my massage time. So I hire a masseuse to come to my house and because I am so not, Hmm, what's the phrase? I'm so not like good at doing things. Like I, like if I, I set a goal, like I'm gonna go out and go to the gym early, I won't do it. I will lie to myself. I'll disappoint myself all the time unless I'm obligated to somebody else. So if I tell Ryan I'm gonna go snorkel or paddleboard with him, like yesterday, he's like, Hey, you wanna go paddleboard? Yeah, that sounds fun. Then I'll go do it Cause I'll obligate. So when I obligate myself to thinking time, which is the massage time, I actually spend an hour and a half.

(01:11:00):
I'll do, I've increased it from 60 to 90 cuz I'm like, I want 90 minutes to think. And what I found almost every time is the first 30 minutes my brain just going scattered to a million things that don't really matter. Like, I'm hungry, what am I gonna have for dinner tonight? You know, what about that email I didn't send? But then about an hour in is where like my thoughts just kind of convalesce, if that's the right word, onto like one thing. And then I just, the next half hour like is the most profitable time my entire week. And that's when I solve most big issues of my life where I come up with good ideas. So I recommend it to entrepreneurs all the time. I love that's just forced yourself if you have to, if you're not good enough with this, you know, self-control or you wanna call that, find another way to force yourself in the thinking time. Like schedule a week and move massage cost me a thousand bucks a month. It is the best thousand dollars uh, I spend every

Ryan Kennedy (01:11:41):
Month. That's incredible. That's, do you find though that, are you able to take notes during this massage? So

Brandon Turner (01:11:45):
That, that's the biggest problem. So what I do is actually leave my phone where my face is down below, you know, so I can look at it. Uh, and then I will do voice memos Yes. Right then. Or I'll just like type in a keyword so I'll remember. Cause in the beginning I, yeah. I couldn't take good notes. Yep. That's the biggest problem is I wanted,

Ryan Kennedy (01:11:58):
And and that's, that's the problem I have with like these float tanks and like all these things that are designed for like just meditative thinking time is I'll come up with a great idea and then I spend the rest of the time trying not to forget that idea. Yeah. And it totally like distracts from my, my thought flow.

Brandon Turner (01:12:13):
You gotta dump it into something, you

Ryan Kennedy (01:12:14):
Gotta dump it into something otherwise it's hard to recapture hours later when you're like onto other things. So yeah. I love that. And I feel the same way. Like I'll spend a lot of time each week out paddle boarding out mountain biking out, doing like active stuff. Yeah. But it's some of the most productive time in my week. Hundred percent because I'm one doing some thinking time, which is critical. But other sessions I'll be learning, I'll be listening to audiobooks and podcasts at, you know, 2.5 x and I'll be like gathering a lot of information that's very important to like guide my recommendations, my decisions, what I'm gonna be doing. It's like learning time and thinking time I think are two underrated things for literally everyone. And so that book's, everyone gotta read it. All

Brandon Turner (01:12:51):
Right. Number one, that book.

Ryan Kennedy (01:12:52):
Uh, number two, I really like a book by, uh, Napoleon Hill called Outwitting the Devil. Hmm. Yeah. Everyone knows him for Thinking Grow Rich. Yep. Uh, outwitting the devil's fantastic dude. This guy was so ahead of his time. Like a lot of the things he have you read it. Yeah. So a lot of things he talks about in that book are like, you know, this was what over a hundred years ago are things that are so applicable today. It's like the education system and the food and a whole bunch of different industries that I didn't get the impression they were like that a hundred years ago, but he was like forecasting almost what it was gonna be like and he just nailed it. And the audio book's really cool cause they have these different narrators. Cause it's like the whole book is like an interview with him in the devil. And essentially he's like kind of going through all these different prompts and the devil's telling him how, you know, he brainwashes humans and found it fascinating. So I like that book a lot. Third book, man, it's, it's a toss up after those. But I really like a hundred million dollar offers. Oh,

Brandon Turner (01:13:48):
Hormo. Yeah.

Ryan Kennedy (01:13:48):
Just cuz of the way he distills a lot of the principles Yeah. That people have written entire books on. And he'll take like a chapter and explain it better than these people have written like 300 pages on it. Yeah. So I like his teaching style and his other book I like as much or more that most people haven't heard of called Gym Launch Secrets. Mm-hmm. , and I'm not in the gym industry, but it applies to virtually any service business online or brick and mortar of just how to craft your offer, how to generate leads, how to sell, how to overcome objections, how to handle fulfillment, how to grow, how to do all these things that I think are just fundamental practices. No matter what industry you're in, what business you're in, it applies to you. And that book is really, really good. That's great. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Turner (01:14:30):
He's got a new one coming out too that he's working on. Yeah. I don't know when it's coming out, but it's soon-ish, I

Ryan Kennedy (01:14:34):
Think like part of this six volume series. Yeah. I started, it's funny, I started listening and learning from Hermo like years ago. Yeah. Before he like took off and became this like megastar on like YouTube and social media back when he was just, screw social media, I'm gonna run my businesses and I'm gonna pay for leads and do a lot of paid media and I'm not gonna mess around or wasting my time with this stuff. But back then he was still like, out of log and still like put stuff out and I would, I was loving it and I was always like, how does this guy not like bigger than Grant Cardone, like bigger than all these big shot names that are like sending out good stuff, like putting out good content, but like nowhere near this guy's level of execution and conciseness and his ability to convey these concepts really practically. And then Sure enough time caught up. Yeah. And now he's just like, that's huge. Yeah. On a yeah. On a trajectory upward.

Brandon Turner (01:15:18):
So yeah, we're gonna talk to those people right now and get 'em on the podcast, so it's gonna

Ryan Kennedy (01:15:21):
Happen. Fantastic.

Brandon Turner (01:15:22):
Yeah. Cool. All right. Three great books. Now last question for you, and maybe you don't have this off the top of your head, but do you have any favorite quotes or a quote that has changed your life or that guides your life?

Ryan Kennedy (01:15:30):
One quote, I come back to a lot in the health space is someone with their health has a thousand dreams. Someone without it has only one. Mm-hmm. And it really rings true because as I said at the very beginning, when you don't have your health, like nothing else really matters. It's the only thing that like really controls all of the other things. And so I always come back to that quote because it's like, when we're dealing with all these things and challenges, stressors, obligations, it's like, well, if you have your health, you're alive and well. Like, you're fortunate to have these problems because like, these would not be problems for you if you didn't have your health and you were just laying up in a hospital bed and trying to survive. So I like that quote in another one that kind of holds the same kind of concept is I, I don't know who said it, Confucius or someone else, but like, we all have two lives. And the second one begins when you realize you only have one. Mm-hmm. . And a lot of people have like a health scare or something that happens to them, a diagnosis, and that's when their second life begins and they realize like, wow, I I really gotta start living dude. Like, I'm not appreciating this time in this human experience like I should be. Like, this is a gift and we never know when it's gonna end, when this ride's gonna stop. And so those are two i I like off the top of my head. I

Brandon Turner (01:16:41):
Love it, man. Well, where can people find out more about you? We can get connected

Ryan Kennedy (01:16:45):
Ryan Kennedy health.com. It's website, social media, YouTube. Instagram is Ryan C. Kennedy. And then, uh, yeah, it's about, it's the best place to go.

Brandon Turner (01:16:55):
All right, man. Well thank you for joining us in the Sea Shed today. Appreciate you and uh, yeah, I can't wait to learn more about you and, uh, follow you, so thanks.

Ryan Kennedy (01:17:02):
Appreciate it, man.

Brandon Turner (01:17:03):
All right guys, thank you very much. This was awesome. Thanks for letting me sit in, appreciate it. Thank you. And

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